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Title: What is wrong with using a relaxation tape designed to help people quit? 


What is wrong with using a relaxation tape designed to help people quit?



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From: Joel  (Original Message)Sent: 5/1/2005 7:35 AM
Yesterday a new member wrote how she had purchased and was listening to a relaxation tape for 20 minutes a day to help her to quit smoking. She wrote a message to me on the board asking what the harm of using such a tape would be. I thought the topic deserved its own thread.
 
Below is my response to the question of what harm could there be with using a purchased tape in order to quit smoking. (I edited the post up a little to make it clearer for this new post.)

 
I actually have never listened to the any of the tapes that have been developed for smoking cessation and I am not sure what they all say in them. There are so many different type of conventional wisdoms shared in most smoking cessation literature--concepts that may very well undercut a quit if taken to heart. See the post The Teaching of Conventional Wisdom at Freedom

In almost all professional print literature produced on smoking cessation there is the concept stated that if a person "slips", he or she should not let it undercut his or her quit. In essence, that one piece of advice has given the person the permission to slip and not relapse. I do not know if your tape has that kind of advice or concept shared, or any other kind that may be contraindicated. If it does and you take the advice to heart it could very well undercut your quit one day.

Another reason that we do not endorse tapes or books or other services is that we don't want any of our members or readers to feel that they need to spend a penny on anything to quit smoking. There may be some members that have used tapes or went for hypnosis, but the vast majority of people at our site did not. When it comes down to it the vast majority of long-term successful ex-smokers in the world did not use these techniques either. Also, the majority of people who did utilize these products or services as their sole support failed in their attempts. Under these conditions I see many of these services and products as a waste of money and we do not want any of our members or readers getting the idea of wasting any of their money by recommendations that that they read here from posts at Freedom.

Another thing that I think is worth pointing out is that I would advice any person who is allocating 20 minutes a day to support his or her long-term success to spend that time reinforcing his or her resolve at a thoroughly conscious level. That time can be used reading and learning about the dangers of smoking and the benefits of quitting here at Freedom and at www.whyquit.com.  This information can really reinforce a person's understanding as to why he or she quit and why he or she still wishes to remain smoke free. I think reading at Freedom and www.whyquit.com is much more likely to accomplish reinforcing a person's resolve to stay smoke free than listening to the taped sounds of the ocean.

The concept that you need a tape to relax after quitting is likely perpetuating the myth that you are going to be more nervous because of quitting. The majority of people who successfully get nicotine out of their body and keep nicotine out end up being calmer for they are no longer experiencing the active addiction that they had sustained for years or decades while using. See I have to smoke because of all my stress 

The way to keep your quit alive and well, and likely, you along with it, is to continue to reinforce your understanding of nicotine addiction and your reasons for having quit and to keep reminding yourself of the benefits that you continue to derive from sticking to your personal commitment to never take another puff!

Joel


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From: JoelSent: 5/31/2005 3:56 AM
I saw where a member wrote that she got hypnotized and feels that it helped her to quit smoking. This post touches on a few concepts that apply to hypnosis and any other services out there too. As it says above:
 
Another reason that we do not endorse tapes or books or other services is that we don't want any of our members or readers to feel that they need to spend a penny on anything to quit smoking. There may be some members that have used tapes or went for hypnosis, but the vast majority of people at our site did not. When it comes down to it the vast majority of long-term successful ex-smokers in the world did not use these techniques either. Also, the majority of people who did utilize these products or services as their sole support failed in their attempts. Under these conditions I see many of these services and products as a waste of money and we do not want any of our members or readers getting the idea of wasting any of their money by recommendations that that they read here from posts at Freedom.

Another thing that I think is worth pointing out is that I would advice any person who is allocating 20 minutes a day to support his or her long-term success to spend that time reinforcing his or her resolve at a thoroughly conscious level. That time can be used reading and learning about the dangers of smoking and the benefits of quitting here at Freedom and at www.whyquit.com.  This information can really reinforce a person's understanding as to why he or she quit and why he or she still wishes to remain smoke free. I think reading at Freedom and www.whyquit.com is much more likely to accomplish reinforcing a person's resolve to stay smoke free than listening to the taped sounds of the ocean.

The concept that you need a tape to relax after quitting is likely perpetuating the myth that you are going to be more nervous because of quitting. The majority of people who successfully get nicotine out of their body and keep nicotine out end up being calmer for they are no longer experiencing the active addiction that they had sustained for years or decades while using. See I have to smoke because of all my stress 

The way to keep your quit alive and well, and likely, you along with it, is to continue to reinforce your understanding of nicotine addiction and your reasons for having quit and to keep reminding yourself of the benefits that you continue to derive from sticking to your personal commitment to never take another puff!

Joel



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From: JoelSent: 2/5/2006 5:28 AM
 There may be some members that have used tapes or went for hypnosis, but the vast majority of people at our site did not. When it comes down to it the vast majority of long-term successful ex-smokers in the world did not use these techniques either. Also, the majority of people who did utilize these products or services as their sole support failed in their attempts. Under these conditions I see many of these services and products as a waste of money and we do not want any of our members or readers getting the idea of wasting any of their money by recommendations that that they read here from posts at Freedom.


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From: JoelSent: 3/2/2006 7:59 AM
Over a year ago I got an email from a person who was wondering why we wouldn't allow the promotion of hypnosis/relaxation tapes at Freedom. In an email response to me the person wrote, "I just thought that even if a small percentage of people would have this work for them, then it was worth you listing as an option."
 
I am going to attach the email reply I sent to that person. I think it is quite applicable to recommendations that seem to be popping up at Freedom now:
It is pretty interesting that so many of the people promoting products out there use the argument that even if it helps only a small percent of the people it is worth promoting a fee based product. You see, that would all make sense if there were just not many people who could quit smoking. Then, if you have a product that helps one or two percent it seems worth the effort and the expense. All of the manufacturers of different quitting smoking products like to tout that only 5% of people who try to quit at any given time are successful. It leaves the reader thinking that quitting smoking is quite impossible so any success that any product can give makes it worth the cost and the try. 

The problem with the logic though is quitting is not close to impossible. We have more former smokers now than current smokers. 47 million Americans have successfully quit smoking. While it is hard to find precise studies of just how they quit, the vast majority have done it by simply quitting smoking cold turkey without the use of products. (91.4% according to the American Cancer Society(2003 Cancer Facts and Figuresgo to page 25 of that publication)                                                                                                    

So here we have a problem, smoking, that is killing hundreds of thousands of Americans a year, and a slew of industries who are supposedly designed to help smokers to quit out there saying that quitting is close to impossible and that people need to buy their products so that they have a small chance of success—small being better than almost no chance. 

The argument just doesn’t match the facts. If you are truly interested in helping smoker to quit, educate them to the fact that quitting is possible, that over half of the people who used to smoke have quit, and that the vast majority of the 47 million ex-smokers in the country today quit without the use of any quitting aid and by spending no money for professional help in their cessation efforts.  Somehow I don’t think these facts are going to make it into the promotion of the site you are recommending. 

I am not sure where you are coming from—whether or not you are a person who is trying to just help people or whether you are somehow affiliated with the sale of the CD. If you are the former, spend some time at www.whyquit.com and see what we have to offer. You will see quickly that there are no links there to any products and that there are no links there to any company or organization that are making any money trying to “help” people quit. We are a totally commercial free operation and in fact there is no money involved with anything affiliated with our site. We have no fees ourselves and take no money for our services. Even donations are refused. If you are indeed trying to help people to quit, read and learn what we have to offer—your time will be well spent and I suspect you will be sending lots of people our way. 

If you are just trying to promote a product, spending any time at www.whyquit.com will be a total waste of your time. My guess is that you will want to keep potential customers as far away from us as possible for the more they read at the site the more obvious it will become to them that they don’t need to waste one thin dime in their efforts to quit smoking if they simply make and stick to a commitment to never take another puff!

 Joel


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From: JoelSent: 3/21/2006 11:24 AM
Over a year ago I got an email from a person who was wondering why we wouldn't allow the promotion of hypnosis/relaxation tapes at Freedom. In an email response to me the person wrote, "I just thought that even if a small percentage of people would have this work for them, then it was worth you listing as an option."
 
I am going to attach the email reply I sent to that person. I think it is quite applicable to recommendations that seem to be popping up at Freedom now:
It is pretty interesting that so many of the people promoting products out there use the argument that even if it helps only a small percent of the people it is worth promoting a fee based product. You see, that would all make sense if there were just not many people who could quit smoking. Then, if you have a product that helps one or two percent it seems worth the effort and the expense. All of the manufacturers of different quitting smoking products like to tout that only 5% of people who try to quit at any given time are successful. It leaves the reader thinking that quitting smoking is quite impossible so any success that any product can give makes it worth the cost and the try. 

The problem with the logic though is quitting is not close to impossible. We have more former smokers now than current smokers. 47 million Americans have successfully quit smoking. While it is hard to find precise studies of just how they quit, the vast majority have done it by simply quitting smoking cold turkey without the use of products. (91.4% according to the American Cancer Society (2003 Cancer Facts and Figuresgo to page 25 of that publication)                                                                                                    

So here we have a problem, smoking, that is killing hundreds of thousands of Americans a year, and a slew of industries who are supposedly designed to help smokers to quit out there saying that quitting is close to impossible and that people need to buy their products so that they have a small chance of success—small being better than almost no chance. 

The argument just doesn’t match the facts. If you are truly interested in helping smoker to quit, educate them to the fact that quitting is possible, that over half of the people who used to smoke have quit, and that the vast majority of the 47 million ex-smokers in the country today quit without the use of any quitting aid and by spending no money for professional help in their cessation efforts.  Somehow I don’t think these facts are going to make it into the promotion of the site you are recommending. 

I am not sure where you are coming from—whether or not you are a person who is trying to just help people or whether you are somehow affiliated with the sale of the CD. If you are the former, spend some time at www.whyquit.com and see what we have to offer. You will see quickly that there are no links there to any products and that there are no links there to any company or organization that are making any money trying to “help” people quit. We are a totally commercial free operation and in fact there is no money involved with anything affiliated with our site. We have no fees ourselves and take no money for our services. Even donations are refused. If you are indeed trying to help people to quit, read and learn what we have to offer—your time will be well spent and I suspect you will be sending lots of people our way. 

If you are just trying to promote a product, spending any time at www.whyquit.com will be a total waste of your time. My guess is that you will want to keep potential customers as far away from us as possible for the more they read at the site the more obvious it will become to them that they don’t need to waste one thin dime in their efforts to quit smoking if they simply make and stick to a commitment to never take another puff!

 Joel



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From: JoelSent: 8/14/2006 6:04 AM
There may be some members that have used tapes or went for hypnosis, but the vast majority of people at our site did not. When it comes down to it the vast majority of long-term successful ex-smokers in the world did not use these techniques either. Also, the majority of people who did utilize these products or services as their sole support failed in their attempts. Under these conditions I see many of these services and products as a waste of money and we do not want any of our members or readers getting the idea of wasting any of their money by recommendations that that they read here from posts at Freedom.





Joel_Spitzer posted on 11/17/2008 18:37 PM

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